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Chart #67 Predestination:

Ephesians 1:3-6; 1:11-12; Romans 8:29-30

The Doctrine: "God, from all eternity did by the most wise and holy counsel of his own will freely and unchangeably ordain whatsoever comes to pass:" Presbyterian Confession of Faith, Ch. 3; Sec. 1.

From the Larger Catechism - "God's decrees are the wise, free, and holy acts of the counsel of his will, whereby, from all eternity, he hath, for his own glory, unchangeably foreordained whatsoever comes to pass in time, especially concerning angels and men." (In answer to question 12).

1. If this doctrine is true, it does strange things to God and 
   His word.
2. If it be true that God unchangeably ordained everything that 
   comes to pass then:
   A. It would be impossible for man to err. See James 5:19-20
      (1) Whatever man does is in keeping with and brought about 
          by God’s fore-ordination or decree, and therefore 
          cannot be wrong.
      (2) If man does anything, it matters not what, whether 
          good or bad, if God has ordained everything, it 
          matters not what, whether good or bad, if God has 
          ordained everything, he has ordained that thing.
      (3) Note some examples:
          (a) If a man lies, God unchangeably ordained that he 
              should lie.  Why then was Ananias and Sapphira put 
              to death?  Acts 5:1-10; Revelation 21:8; 22:15
          (b) If a man steals, God unchangeably ordained that he 
              should steal.  Why then did God have Achan stoned 
              to death? Joshua 7:20-26
          (c) If a man kills, God unchangeably ordained that he 
              do so.  Why then did God put a curse on Cain for 
              killing Abel? Genesis 4:9-13
      (4) According to this concept of Predestination, it was 
          not only in accordance with the most and holy counsel 
          of His Will, but He had freely and unchangeably 
          ordained that Ananias and Sapphira, Achan, and Cain 
          should do the very thing for which He had them put to 
          death and cursed.
          Who can believe such about God??
   B. Since God has plainly forbidden things which do some to 
      pass, it cannot be true that He has unchangeably ordained 
      them.
      (1) Examples: Exodus 20:13-16
          (a) God said, “Thou shalt not kill” – but many 
              Israelites did kill others.
          (b) God said, “Thou shalt not commit Adultery” – but 
              many Israelites did commit adultery.
          (c) God said, “Thou shalt not steal” – but many 
              Israelites did steal.
          (d) God said, “Thou shalt not bear false witness 
              against thy neighbor” – but many Israelites did 
              bear false witness against their neighbor.
      (2) That God should unchangeably ordain that a certain 
          thing should come to pass, and at the same time 
          positively forbid that same thing, is an inconsistency 
          entirely incompatible with His divine nature and 
          character.
          (a) Especially when we add that He threatens the 
              guilty with eternal punishment.
   
   C. If God unchangeably ordained that a certain man, on a 
      certain day, should do a certain thing, then there is no 
      power left to man not to do the thing; for were he to 
      avoid doing it, he would have to changed God’s 
      unchangeable decree, and therefore had more power to 
      change than God had to enforce.  Is anyone prepared to 
      assume such a position??
      (1) Surely some ordinances or decrees of God are broken 
          every day.
          (a) He has ordained:
              1. That man shall not kill – yet they do kill.
              2. That man shall not steal – yet they do steal.
              3. That man shall not bear false witness – yet 
                 they swear falsely everyday.
      (2) Hence, God compels no man to keep His ordinances, but 
          He will visit upon him merited punishment if he does 
          not keep them.
   D. Romans 13:1-3 – “Let every soul be subject unto the higher 
      powers.  For there is no power but of God: the powers that 
      be are ordained of God.  Whosoever therefore resisteth the 
      power, resisteth the ordinance of God: and they that 
      resist shall receive to themselves damnation.”
      (1) But how can anyone successfully resist that which God 
          unchangeably ordained?
   E. God said, “Yet forty days, and Nineveh shall be 
      overthrown.” Jonah 3:4
      (1) Here is a positive decree or ordinance of God that did 
          not come to pass, for “God saw their works, that they 
          turned from their evil way; and God repented of the 
          evil, that he had said that he would do unto them; and 
          he did it not.”
      (2) This surely was a changeable decree.  Hence, this 
          concept of Predestination cannot be true.
   F. Hezekiah – 2 Kings 20:1, 5-6
      (1) Here was a decree concerning Hezekiah’s death, which 
          was changed, and his life prolonged fifteen years, and 
          the change was induced by his prayers and tears.
      (2) Hence, this concept of Predestination cannot be true.
   G. David at Keilah – 1 Samuel 23:10-13
      (1) God said:
          (a) Saul “will come down” to Keilah.
          (b) The people “will deliver thee up.”
      (2) But:
          (a) David and his men escaped.
          (b) Saul did not go down to Keilah.
      (3) It is evident that circumstance and not immutable 
          decrees, controlled this event, even as they do most 
          others.
      (4) Therefore, this concept of Predestination cannot be 
          true.
   H. The basis upon which God deals with men and nations.
Ezekiel 18:20-24	Ezekiel 3:18-21	Jeremiah 18:7-10
(See Chart #34)
      (1) Again it is obvious that circumstances have always 
          varied God’s dealings with men.
      (2) Hence, this concept of Predestination cannot be true.
   I. Genesis 6:5-6 – “And God saw that the wickedness of man 
      was great in the earth, and that every imagination of the 
      thoughts of his heart was only evil continually.  And it 
      repented the Lord that he had made man on the earth, and 
      it grieved him at his heart.”
      (1) Now if the Lord fore-ordained everything that comes to 
          pass, He fore-ordained everything the Antediluvians 
          did: why, then, he grieve over their wickedness, when 
          every act was but the consummation of his own 
          immutable and eternal decree??
      (2) Would not this amount to God grieving over His own 
          folly.
      (3) Surely it should be evident that this concept of 
          Predestination cannot be true!!
   J. Jeremiah 7:31 – “And they have built the high places of 
        Tophat, which is in the valley of Hinnom, to burn their 
        sons and their daughters in the fire; which I commanded 
        them not, neither came it into my heart.”
      Jeremiah 19:5 – “They have built also the high places of 
        Baal, to burn their sons with fire for burnt offerings 
        unto Baal, which I commanded not, nor spake it, neither 
        came it into my mind.”
      (1) If God fore-ordained everything, He fore-ordained 
          these things, for they came to pass.
      (2) Yet He says He did not command them, nor speak them, 
          neither came they into His mind.
      (3) How did God fore-ordain things which never entered his 
          mind?
      (4) Thus, this concept of Predestination cannot be true!!
   K. Jeremiah 23:21 – “I have not sent these prophets, yet they 
      ran: I have not spoken to them, yet they prophesied.”
      (1) It is obvious that their conduct was not the result of 
          God’s predestinated, fore-ordained, immutable decree.
   L. Jeremiah 14:14 - Notice:
      (1) “They prophesy lies in my name”
      (2) “They prophesy unto you a false vision and divination 
          and a thing of naught, and the deceit of their heart.”
      (3) God said:
          (a) “I sent them not,”
          (b) “Neither have I commanded them,”
          (c) “Neither spake unto them.”
      (4) Thus, the Calvinistic concept of Predestination cannot 
          be true.
   M. My opponent would have us to believe that God gave man a 
      “Command that He had unchangeably fore-ordained to be 
      broken, so that He might subject him to ‘death, with all 
      miseries, spiritual, temporal, and eternal’, then tells us 
      that He ‘so loved the world that he gave his only begotten 
      Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, 
      but have everlasting life’, (John 3:16), and at the same 
      time restrict the benefits of His death to a few select 
      ones, and allow the devil to have the many, and thus be 
      glorified by their destruction—it being no fault of 
      theirs.” Brents – The Gospel Plan of Salvation, Pages 112, 
      113.  Who can believe it??
Conclusion:
1. If the Predestinarian doctrine of Unchangeable decree be 
   true, then the whole Bible doctrine of sin, accountability, 
   rewards, and punishments, in harmony with Justice and Mercy, 
   is utterly incomprehensible and inconsistent.
2. That which God predestined was that men should be saved 
   through His Son, Jesus Christ!!
3. Man’s conduct determines his standing.
   a. “His servants ye are to whom ye obey.” Romans 6:16
   b. “Whosoever committeth sin is the servant of sin.” John 
      8:34
   c. “Choose ye this day whom ye will serve.” Joshua 24:15
   d. If wicked man doeth right he shall live; if righteous man 
      doeth iniquity he shall die.” Ezekiel 18:21-22; 33:17-19
   e. Done good – to resurrection of life.
      Done evil – to resurrection of damnation. John 5:28-29

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